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Topic Started: Nov 5 2011, 11:19 PM (3,211 Views)
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I highly doubt Piccolo could have been stronger than Nail immediately after training with King Kai (it didn't even look like he trained, but I'll assume he did) - considering Piccolo's power level was around 3500 during the fight with Nappa.

The Namekian fusion, like a dance fusion, is most likely more successful if both powers are very high and near equal (otherwise the Namekians would have already tried fusion prior to piccolo's arrival). Piccolo's power was probably close to 30,000 after training with King Kai (Nail's being around 40,000). Obviously, the fusion with Kami was an exception since it was more like reuniting a whole than fusing two separate entities.
Edited by SirParagon, Nov 10 2011, 07:18 AM.
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Piccolo trained for sure, at that time he kind of still wanted to surpass Goku, so he wouldn't just sit there till he got revived. Not sure, I mean it's hard to say, Piccolo gets stronger real fast as he trains, I guess people assume he was stronger than Nail before the fusion. Maybe not years ahead of Nail but a couple hundreds. And we don't know much about that fusion, all we know is he can fuse with other warrior type. It never says they need to be around the same PL. Before Piccolo's arrival, Akira hand't thought of fusion, remember that he would make up things as the story went on. It's possible he thought of fusion when Piccolo arrived.
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Ok ok, how about the whole being small made Goku weaker. Debating with a guy, but nothing convinces him that being small had nothing to do with Goku being weaker.
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If Goku knew he was so much weaker as a small fry like that asinine theory suggests, he wouldn't have been surprised at all that his blast had no effect inside Boo's head.
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Urgh I still can't believe people think that Goku meant that he couldn't fight Evil Buu just because he was a midget.
It's only highlighted that he was a midget after Goku's blast failed to effect Buu.

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I would like to point out a couple of quotes cementing Evil Buu>Goku & Gotenks>Goku;

Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him.
Piccolo: "N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own"

SSjin3 Gotenks is suggested to be levels above SSjin3 Goku ("strong like you")



Context: after Gotenks is absorbed by Evil Buu.
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Evil Buu remembered SSjin3 Goku and even hinted that he knew that SSjin3 Goku>Fat Buu;

Context: after Goku Kienzans Gotenks-Buu
Boo: “…What, did you plan on coming to save everyone? You idiot…Can’t you tell that I’m in a fundamentally different dimension than the Majin Boo from back then?”

Gotenks-Buu>>SSjin3 Gotenks>Evil Buu>>>SSjin3 Goku.


As for Evil Buu>Pure Buu, Pure Buu never displayed power which was able to cross between the Earth and the Kaioshin realm. Gohan etc needed to ask Piccolo (who had Kami's ability to sense powers between extremely long distances ie God's place to Snake way) what was happening in Goku's fight with Pure Buu;

Viz, Vol 26, p200;
Gohan: "Well, Piccolo?"
Piccolo: "...I do believe...Buu's chi...is gone."

So he's weaker than Evil Buu, SSjin Gotenks, SSjin3 Goku etc.

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Nov 10 2011, 06:55 AM
I highly doubt Piccolo could have been stronger than Nail immediately after training with King Kai (it didn't even look like he trained, but I'll assume he did) - considering Piccolo's power level was around 3500 during the fight with Nappa.

The Namekian fusion, like a dance fusion, is most likely more successful if both powers are very high and near equal (otherwise the Namekians would have already tried fusion prior to piccolo's arrival). Piccolo's power was probably close to 30,000 after training with King Kai (Nail's being around 40,000). Obviously, the fusion with Kami was an exception since it was more like reuniting a whole than fusing two separate entities.
The manga doesn't focus much on his training but the anime does. Piccolo rtells Goku point blank, screw King Kai's wishes. He wanted to be wished back and brought to Namek way back when he talked to Goku. . He went as far as to say he, Goku,, Gohan, and Krillin would put an improved Vegeta and Frieza in their place despite King Kai shaking in his boots and forbidding any of them to fight Frieza. In the anime he is shown to be able to basically cause trimmers to King Kai's planet by meditating and compete with all three of the others weighted, who beat the Ginyus.
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Well they use quotes like, "All I felt was a little twinge in this area here. Have you forgotten? Right now, your much much smaller than even fleas."
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Nov 30 2011, 04:38 AM
Well they use quotes like, "All I felt was a little twinge in this area here. Have you forgotten? Right now, your much much smaller than even fleas."
Which is the first time it's brought up, and Goku is surprised.
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How can we debunk that though? That quote can be used as evidence that Goku did get weaker because he was smaller, which again, I don't believe it.
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Remind him/her/it that Vegito was smaller and a candy and Buu that he was stronger as a candy.

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Yeah I did mention that, I thought no one else used that idea lol
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Nov 30 2011, 05:04 AM
How can we debunk that though? That quote can be used as evidence that Goku did get weaker because he was smaller, which again, I don't believe it.
There's nothing proving Goku thought they'd remain small.
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When they went outside, Goku was glad and said, "Look, we're back to normal!"
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I guess that quote is difficult to deal with..
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